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How do the '09 Space James compare to the OG Retro Space Jams? Any minor differences?
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How do the '09 Space James compare to the OG Retro Space Jams? Any minor differences?


-PL cut throughout the shoe & toebox
-OG pair (Jumpman facing left while the 09 pair is facing right
-OG pair has white jumpman on bottom sole, 09 has blue jumpman

http://www.solecollector.com/forums/jordan-comparisons-og-s-vs-retros-t721222-570.html#16304882
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[quote:57646d6b4f="mosDEFkilla"]How do the '09 Space James compare to the OG Retro Space Jams? Any minor differences?


-PL cut throughout the shoe & toebox
-OG pair (Jumpman facing left while the 09 pair is facing right
-OG pair has white jumpman on bottom sole, 09 has blue jumpman

http://www.solecollector.com/forums/jordan-comparisons-og-s-vs-retros-t721222-570.html#16304882[/quote:57646d6b4f]

Thanks Tony, I appreciate it.

I've been meaning to pick up some Space Jams but I don't know which pair to get.
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Now I found this Video:

http://www.youtube.com/v/L2d1n5IFxdk

What do you think of it, about the forefoot issue(11:10min).


Well, I'm not sure what he saw when Rose wore 'em, he is wrong though.

With Rose, the ankle gave out, and rolled because of the soft-foam sole(it's because Rose cuts on his ankle, not fore-foot), the fore-foot didn't even come into play, so the comparison is wrong.

Also, he says it has a 'hole' in the support of the fore-foot, but that's only if you wear 'em too big, or have abnormally narrow feet, if you wear 'em snug(which every adidas shoe of late has been designed to), you'll notice the sides of the SprintWeb pull you in hard(harder than the BEAST/SUPERBEAST which are serious BIGs shoes, if they put a harder sole on the Crazy Light it would be an awesome bigs shoe) so that's just a miss-fit, or a poor sizing choice on his part, not a design flaw.

And in his conclusion he's expressing his experience as an absolute(making it more a review on him, than on the shoes), using 'feelings'(all the too thin, too minimal mentions, are mental-limits, not physical limits, *thin material can be strong, thick material can be weak*) a mistake as a reviewer, he should've figured out what happened exactly, and why, which he fails to do.

And I'm 99.99% sure he just got 'em too big, and big shoes get floppy(meaning a support-hole on the lateral side, near the toes, bio-mechanics101).

I would agree they're not the most stable shoes(non of the super-lightweights are, also because they're usually build to keep moving, since they're guard friendly of course), but they're not unsafe, which he's basically suggesting in his review.

It's a solid build, smooth shoe, that is so minimal, you might feel you need a little more(comfort, hard-protection, to make it feel safer), but it works 100% as a performance sneaker.
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Ok, so you think I should try out the CrazyLights?

BTW

I want to buy 2 new BB shoes, which would you take out of this 4:

AdiZero CrazyLight
Hyperfuse 2011
Lebron 8 V2/PS
Fly Wade

And why? Or even another 2 pairs?

I am 5'9, 167 lbs and playing SG.



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[quote:f2d8ad9c78="dre_23"]Now I found this Video:

http://www.youtube.com/v/L2d1n5IFxdk

What do you think of it, about the forefoot issue(11:10min).


Well, I'm not sure what he saw when Rose wore 'em, he is wrong though.

With Rose, the ankle gave out, and rolled because of the soft-foam sole(it's because Rose cuts on his ankle, not fore-foot), the fore-foot didn't even come into play, so the comparison is wrong.

Also, he says it has a 'hole' in the support of the fore-foot, but that's only if you wear 'em too big, or have abnormally narrow feet, if you wear 'em snug(which every adidas shoe of late has been designed to), you'll notice the sides of the SprintWeb pull you in hard(harder than the BEAST/SUPERBEAST which are serious BIGs shoes, if they put a harder sole on the Crazy Light it would be an awesome bigs shoe) so that's just a miss-fit, or a poor sizing choice on his part, not a design flaw.

And in his conclusion he's expressing his experience as an absolute(making it more a review on him, than on the shoes), using 'feelings'(all the too thin, too minimal mentions, are mental-limits, not physical limits, *thin material can be strong, thick material can be weak*) a mistake as a reviewer, he should've figured out what happened exactly, and why, which he fails to do.

And I'm 99.99% sure he just got 'em too big, and big shoes get floppy(meaning a support-hole on the lateral side, near the toes, bio-mechanics101).

I would agree they're not the most stable shoes(non of the super-lightweights are, also because they're usually build to keep moving, since they're guard friendly of course), but they're not unsafe, which he's basically suggesting in his review.

It's a solid build, smooth shoe, that is so minimal, you might feel you need a little more(comfort, hard-protection, to make it feel safer), but it works 100% as a performance sneaker.[/quote:f2d8ad9c78]

can't really add to this seeing as Niels has pretty much answered every question possible, but this part in particular is exactly what I was thinking as I watched the review. Thin material doesn't automaticaly mean weak material. If this is an aesthetic rather than an ergonomic issue then fine but in no way does it define the performance of the shoe.
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How do the '09 Space James compare to the OG Retro Space Jams? Any minor differences?


If you are spending $200+ i'd go for a NDS pair of older space Jams but stay away from DS pairs.
My DS space jam and concord went through sole separation.

It also depends what you want the shoe for I fee comfortable playing ball in older Jordans but I won't play ball in any retro.
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Ok, so you think I should try out the CrazyLights?

BTW

I want to buy 2 new BB shoes, which would you take out of this 4:

AdiZero CrazyLight
Hyperfuse 2011
Lebron 8 V2/PS
Fly Wade

And why? Or even another 2 pairs?

I am 5'9, 167 lbs and playing SG.


Out of those, I would say the Wade and the CL. Regardless of looks, the Wade really is a great performer. And the CL, to me, is a no-brainer. It could be improved in some areas, but overall it is an incredible amount of cushioning and support for the minimalist design.
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How do the '09 Space James compare to the OG Retro Space Jams? Any minor differences?
[quote:93080d32c4="mosDEFkilla"]How do the '09 Space James compare to the OG Retro Space Jams? Any minor differences?[/quote:93080d32c4] -PL cut throughout the shoe & toebox -OG pair (Jumpman facing left while the 09 pair is facing right -OG pair has white jumpman on bottom sole, 09 has blue jumpman http://www.solecollector.com/forums/jordan-comparisons-og-s-vs-retros-t721222-570.html#16304882
[quote:57646d6b4f="nikeSBcollectorr"][quote:57646d6b4f="mosDEFkilla"]How do the '09 Space James compare to the OG Retro Space Jams? Any minor differences?[/quote:57646d6b4f] -PL cut throughout the shoe & toebox -OG pair (Jumpman facing left while the 09 pair is facing right -OG pair has white jumpman on bottom sole, 09 has blue jumpman http://www.solecollector.com/forums/jordan-comparisons-og-s-vs-retros-t721222-570.html#16304882[/quote:57646d6b4f] Thanks Tony, I appreciate it. :up: I've been meaning to pick up some Space Jams but I don't know which pair to get.
[quote:cf09488d73="dre_23"]Now I found this Video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L2d1n5IFxdk What do you think of it, about the forefoot issue(11:10min).[/quote:cf09488d73] Well, I'm not sure what he saw when Rose wore 'em, he is wrong though. With Rose, the ankle gave out, and rolled because of the soft-foam sole(it's because Rose cuts on his ankle, not fore-foot), the fore-foot didn't even come into play, so the comparison is wrong. Also, he says it has a 'hole' in the support of the fore-foot, but that's only if you wear 'em too big, or have abnormally narrow feet, if you wear 'em snug(which every adidas shoe of late has been designed to), you'll notice the sides of the SprintWeb pull you in hard(harder than the BEAST/SUPERBEAST which are serious BIGs shoes, if they put a harder sole on the Crazy Light it would be an awesome bigs shoe) so that's just a miss-fit, or a poor sizing choice on his part, not a design flaw. And in his conclusion he's expressing his experience as an absolute(making it more a review on him, than on the shoes), using 'feelings'(all the too thin, too minimal mentions, are mental-limits, not physical limits, *thin material can be strong, thick material can be weak*) a mistake as a reviewer, he should've figured out what happened exactly, and why, which he fails to do. And I'm 99.99% sure he just got 'em too big, and big shoes get floppy(meaning a support-hole on the lateral side, near the toes, bio-mechanics101). I would agree they're not the most stable shoes(non of the super-lightweights are, also because they're usually build to keep moving, since they're guard friendly of course), but they're not unsafe, which he's basically suggesting in his review. It's a solid build, smooth shoe, that is so minimal, you might feel you need a little more(comfort, hard-protection, to make it feel safer), but it works 100% as a performance sneaker.
Ok, so you think I should try out the CrazyLights? BTW I want to buy 2 new BB shoes, which would you take out of this 4: AdiZero CrazyLight Hyperfuse 2011 Lebron 8 V2/PS Fly Wade And why? Or even another 2 pairs? I am 5'9, 167 lbs and playing SG.
[quote:f2d8ad9c78="Nene33"][quote:f2d8ad9c78="dre_23"]Now I found this Video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L2d1n5IFxdk What do you think of it, about the forefoot issue(11:10min).[/quote:f2d8ad9c78] Well, I'm not sure what he saw when Rose wore 'em, he is wrong though. With Rose, the ankle gave out, and rolled because of the soft-foam sole(it's because Rose cuts on his ankle, not fore-foot), the fore-foot didn't even come into play, so the comparison is wrong. Also, he says it has a 'hole' in the support of the fore-foot, but that's only if you wear 'em too big, or have abnormally narrow feet, if you wear 'em snug(which every adidas shoe of late has been designed to), you'll notice the sides of the SprintWeb pull you in hard(harder than the BEAST/SUPERBEAST which are serious BIGs shoes, if they put a harder sole on the Crazy Light it would be an awesome bigs shoe) so that's just a miss-fit, or a poor sizing choice on his part, not a design flaw. And in his conclusion he's expressing his experience as an absolute(making it more a review on him, than on the shoes), using 'feelings'(all the too thin, too minimal mentions, are mental-limits, not physical limits,[b:f2d8ad9c78] *thin material can be strong, thick material can be weak*[/b:f2d8ad9c78]) a mistake as a reviewer, he should've figured out what happened exactly, and why, which he fails to do. And I'm 99.99% sure he just got 'em too big, and big shoes get floppy(meaning a support-hole on the lateral side, near the toes, bio-mechanics101). I would agree they're not the most stable shoes(non of the super-lightweights are, also because they're usually build to keep moving, since they're guard friendly of course), but they're not unsafe, which he's basically suggesting in his review. It's a solid build, smooth shoe, that is so minimal, you might feel you need a little more(comfort, hard-protection, to make it feel safer), but it works 100% as a performance sneaker.[/quote:f2d8ad9c78] can't really add to this seeing as Niels has pretty much answered every question possible, but this part in particular is exactly what I was thinking as I watched the review. Thin material doesn't automaticaly mean weak material. If this is an aesthetic rather than an ergonomic issue then fine but in no way does it define the performance of the shoe.
[quote:fb4daa332d="mosDEFkilla"]How do the '09 Space James compare to the OG Retro Space Jams? Any minor differences?[/quote:fb4daa332d] If you are spending $200+ i'd go for a NDS pair of older space Jams but stay away from DS pairs. My DS space jam and concord went through sole separation. It also depends what you want the shoe for I fee comfortable playing ball in older Jordans but I won't play ball in any retro. :down:
okay team how do I add the ASK A KICKSOLOGIST link to my sig?
you have to put an = sign after the url - [ url = http://www.solecollector.com/forums/ask-a-kicksologist-vol-1-read-page-1-t1128309.html ]ASK A KICKSOLOGIST[ / url ] Take out spaces :up:
[quote:4a21d4db3b="dre_23"]Ok, so you think I should try out the CrazyLights? BTW I want to buy 2 new BB shoes, which would you take out of this 4: AdiZero CrazyLight Hyperfuse 2011 Lebron 8 V2/PS Fly Wade And why? Or even another 2 pairs? I am 5'9, 167 lbs and playing SG.[/quote:4a21d4db3b] Out of those, I would say the Wade and the CL. Regardless of looks, the Wade really is a great performer. And the CL, to me, is a no-brainer. It could be improved in some areas, but overall it is an incredible amount of cushioning and support for the minimalist design.
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