2012 Orlando Magic Offeason Thread - So Long JJ

I see where you're coming from. Wanting flexibility and all that, but if I absolutely had to trade my superstar, I would have to get at least something back. I know I would never get equal value in return, but I would still want something. Say you trade for Brook / Bynum, you're also unloading contracts in Hedo and getting some firsts in the process. Plus it's not like you guys are committed to keeping either big. You would still have flexibility like for example if you guys traded Dwight to the Lakers. Bynum has a team option next year. If you want to create cap, you could not pick up his team option ($16.5 mil). You also get to unload Hedo (plus whoever else) and you get first round picks out of it. Or you guys could always try and flip Bynum for even more draft picks / young players. Just because you trade Dwight to LA / NJN, it doesn't mean you guys have to commit long term to the bigs. The options are still there.

Why do you absolutely have to get something? I think that's just a talking point, to be honest. The fact that the term "something" is used reinforces that point for me. It just sounds desperate. What's the point of trading Howard to LA for Bynum if you're not pretty much already committed to keeping him? So if we ditch Bynum, you're selling the fanbase on giftwrapping another prime dominant center to LA for...some high ass draft picks and getting Hedo off the books? No way. Maybe it makes more sense for Jersey (like I've been saying all along), but only if they can fork up the young talent/picks to make it worth our while. If we can flip Bynum for picks, young players, then you might as well introduce a third team who wants to commit to him in a trade right now. Don't take Bynum back...have him hyperextend his knee and watch his value diminish. I'd be interested in that - but not for Bynum straight up. Immediate flexibility only benefits the owner. And Orlando has one of the richest, biggest spenders in the NBA. We're not going to contend anytime soon (without Dwight) anyways, so while the flexibility would be nice, it's not really necessary. In fact, if Dwight's out, you may actually want that contract for an expiring deal trade down the line.

Maybe it's just me, but if I know that my SUPERSTAR / Franchise player is going to leave at the end of the season, I want to get back some players, picks, and unload additional contracts in the process. Worst case scenario, let's say he does blow out his knees. You guys still have a TEAM option for him next season. So how is that any different compared to letting Dwight walk? You STILL get that cap space from not picking up Bynum's team option, you GAIN additional picks, and unload Hedo. [quote="BRich"]What's the point of trading Howard to LA for Bynum if you're not pretty much already committed to keeping him? So if we ditch Bynum, you're selling the fanbase on giftwrapping another prime dominant center to LA for...some high ass draft picks and getting Hedo off the books? No way.[/quote] You mention flexibility. When I look at the potential Lakers deal, they offer that same flexibility as if you guys were to let Dwight walk. The upside to actually dealing him is you get additional firsts and dump contracts. I know the deal in itself is not fair by any means, but the Magics don't have much leverage. So you guys would rather let him walk than send him to the LAKERS. Is it because of the whole Shaq situation that happened a while back? That's what I seem to be getting out of this. Hypothetically speaking, let's say Andrew Bynum was on the Nets. Would that now sway you into dealing Dwight as apposed to letting him walk? You guys would rather let him walk than be seen as the franchise that "giftwrapped" another dominant center to LA again for fear of backlash from the media / fans? You wouldn't want to cut your losses?

What's the difference in letting Dwight walk and expire then Trading Dwight for Bynum and not picking up his option? Nothing

Damn Lakers fans are thirsty for Dwight even throwing sales pitches.Bynum for Dwight and a couple more perks is a damn slap in the face.Obv Bynum to Dwight is a major upgrade thus y'all wouldn't be trying to throw him to Orlando. Wallace and Lopez deal was better then Bynum deal.

[quote="davi921"]Maybe it's just me, but if I know that my SUPERSTAR / Franchise player is going to leave at the end of the season, I want to get back some players, picks, and unload additional contracts in the process. [/quote] Well, you don't know. Because LA is always the beneficiary of "I want to play in a major market" shenanigans and has never been in a real rebuilding situation. :lol: Sure, you WANT to get compensated. But it really needs to be worth your while. Long-term, not short-term. [quote="davi921"]Worst case scenario, let's say he does blow out his knees. You guys still have a TEAM option for him next season. So how is that any different compared to letting Dwight walk? You STILL get that cap space from not picking up Bynum's team option, you GAIN additional picks, and unload Hedo.[/quote] Bynum is a big 7-footer with bad knees. Had his first knee surgery at age 12. The concern doesn't stop because he makes it through a healthy season. His shelf life more than likely won't be that long. Picks? From LA? Nobody wants them janky ass late 20/early 30 picks. Putting those picks in perspective, there are teams every draft that literally sell those off for next to nothing. [quote="davi921"]So you guys would rather let him walk than send him to the LAKERS. Is it because of the whole Shaq situation that happened a while back? That's what I seem to be getting out of this. Hypothetically speaking, let's say Andrew Bynum was on the Nets. Would that now sway you into dealing Dwight as apposed to letting him walk? [/quote] There's definitely an LA angle here that needs to be addressed. Primarily because this is the second time we've had a franchise center that would rather leave a better team (currently) to play in LA for reasons outside of basketball. But the sentiment about Bynum isn't LA-specific. If he were in Jersey and the proposed package were about the same, I wouldn't be interested. Just like I'm not interested in Lopez + junk. Jersey needs to sweeten that pot...and they might just have to in order to keep Deron away from Dallas. Keep in mind, we have the extra year and 30 extra million dollars for Dwight. He can make that up playing in a big market, but its still a little leverage we have. [quote="davi921"]You guys would rather let him walk than be seen as the franchise that "giftwrapped" another dominant center to LA again for fear of backlash from the media / fans? You wouldn't want to cut your losses? [/quote] Personally, there's no fear there. It's just a small part of the whole reason that I'm not interested in the trade proposal as it stands. [quote="bilbo07"]Damn Lakers fans are thirsty for Dwight even throwing sales pitches.Bynum for Dwight and a couple more perks is a damn slap in the face.Obv Bynum to Dwight is a major upgrade thus y'all wouldn't be trying to throw him to Orlando. Wallace and Lopez deal was better then Bynum deal. [/quote] Laker fans and media types who want something to talk about are the only people who really seem to think Orlando should be all over this deal. Really, I think Jersey will eventually present the best options, because they now have to convince Deron to stay.

I would like the deal to go through because we fucking suck..... But Orlando plans to play out the year with him, no trades or negotiations at this time.. There willing to see how good this team is and think they can make a run with the set they have now.. With that being said, there's no chance Dwight will be traded because this is a good team which will keep him content for the season.. And added to that is the fact that even if after this season he doesn't want to rejoin, they still have the opportunity to do a sign and trade with him... Signs point to this being his curtain call year as a Magic.. But most point to him being one the remainder of the season.. F you Ryan Anderson :x

[quote="bilbo07"]Damn Lakers fans are thirsty for Dwight even throwing sales pitches.Bynum for Dwight and a couple more perks is a damn slap in the face.Obv Bynum to Dwight is a major upgrade thus y'all wouldn't be trying to throw him to Orlando. Wallace and Lopez deal was better then Bynum deal. [/quote] Who wouldn't be "thirsty" for Dwight? :lol: Dude is a BEAST. Shit, I would give more than just a sales pitch if it meant getting Dwight to LA. We'll send you guys Jeannie Buss in the package too.

So now apparently Amare's in the discussion... Amare's a beast offensively but non existent on D. Who would you guys want in the package with him & is NY the best deal out right now?

http://espn.go.com/blog/new-york/knicks/post/_/id/10220/sas-magic-inquire-about-dwight-to-knicks This is a maybe IF, big IF, they think Amar'e and Chandler would help them out with a title this year and/or next. You keep some defense/rebounding/shot blocking with Chandler and Amar'e gets back to being on the block as the offense Orl runs would leave him iso'd like he likes. If a deal were to be made, a)Dwight would have to extend his list of teams he'd like to go to to include NYK and b)it'd have to be sooner than later because Stoudemire's knees. It would also make Orlando a deeper team that I feel is going to be needed in this truncated season. Not 100% sold on this deal, but definitely better than the Laker deal of Bynum for Dwight.